Calidoso Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 Steam Username: CalidosoYT Steam ID: STEAM_0:0:74001326 Which server are you banned from?: CityRP How long have you been playing on our server(s): Over 7 or 8 years, probably more Have you ever been banned before (this includes other servers)? If so, tell us why: Yes If you have been banned, how many times?: 1 Why do you think you were banned?: Well I got banned for ESP Why should we lift your ban?: Well, I will start off by saying that I am pretty sure I just got banned by participating in a raid that just happened 3 minutes ago before the ban. Just from the ban description I can tell that in the raid I was shooting through the wall of the house from the outside on the porch. I was doing this because of what I have experienced from previous darkrp servers. When people place props on top the ceiling of a certain area and leave the bottom exposed to where you can see the intruder's feet exposed. In my head I was certain that atleast 1 person was going to keep watch of our movement. That is when I decided to just go for the lucky shots from the outside of the house and where the area they may be in. I heard the death of one of the players we were raiding. After that we kept going on breaking down the barricades that were left and made sure that everything was clear from where we were entering. There was 2 rooms exposed to me and my gang members vision to check when we arrived upstairs. I told peatreat to check the right side and then after I would check the left and prefire and that is when I killed the other player left. After all, the raid was meaningless, and we got nothing out of there except the curing rack for the weed. That is all I can provide from my POV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalder Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 For starters I will post a clip provided by one of the members defending the raid. https://streamable.com/98skfy I notice you say "go for lucky shots", after reviewing the clip there is nothing lucky about the shots that were fired. There were little to no misses and you killed 2/3 of the gang through a wall. https://gyazo.com/1d26eb05ca2d005223dcab2a28196b7e https://gyazo.com/feff07b822b811484fc98c03e7088ce1 These pictures are capped when a player deals damage to another player. Its clearly showing you shooting and hitting them through the wall. If this isn't obvious enough, I don't know what is. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peatreat Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 When me and lessfrost were trapped inside because the door respawned, I told cali that they were in that corner because I could see the direction the bullets came from while they were shooting at our feet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calidoso Posted October 7, 2020 Author Share Posted October 7, 2020 I was pretty much guessing at where they were going to be at using my knowledge and also hearing footsteps, my gang members were also telling me that they were getting shot at from the back left of the corner and also near the stair case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalder Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 Since it was my ban originally, you know my response. I'll leave this to the other staff to determine the outcome of this ban. Good luck. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peatreat Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 Also, I'd like to add that he kept shooting in that same general corner the whole time. Nothing suspicious there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 Whilst I agree with the defense for the corner kill, the kill on Volt and especially Ryo is enough for me to be sure Calidoso was using ESP. No amount of sound whoring can help you track people through walls like he did, especially when Ryo (Morgan) is going up those stairs. Either way we'll have a proper discussion about this with multiple staff members available to give input, therefore I'm going to go ahead and say that anyone who wishes to give constructive feedback may, but I want it to stay civil and on topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peatreat Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 Before Morgan went up the stairs he picked up a gun. You can notice that the shooting starts when he picks up that gun. Also, I believe I was the one to kill Volt. Check logs to confirm if you can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peatreat Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 Here's more proof. I saw this bullet come straight from the far left corner and called it out to cali while he was outside because the door respawned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolchax Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 The room size is fairly small all things considered. Spamming is bound to yield some results, and it's possible this was luckier than usual. Near the end of the video, the corner gets spammed once he's coming down and he even walks towards the door to bait more shots on the other side of the house, which prompts a few bullets on the front wall to get spammed (all missing him). I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt, that room is small enough, and if the second kill wasn't even cali's, then it'd be more likely luck than anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 31 minutes ago, Rolchax said: The room size is fairly small all things considered. Spamming is bound to yield some results, and it's possible this was luckier than usual. Near the end of the video, the corner gets spammed once he's coming down and he even walks towards the door to bait more shots on the other side of the house, which prompts a few bullets on the front wall to get spammed (all missing him). I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt, that room is small enough, and if the second kill wasn't even cali's, then it'd be more likely luck than anything else. Calidoso killed volt. I agree it's possible that happened, but the likelihood that he gets all 3 like that is extremely uncommon, although I'm not saying it's impossible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peatreat Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 I don't think this should be judged on likelihood. It wouldn't seem fair to players who tryhard to get judged on the chances of doing a play. I don't see enough evidence for this to be a permanent ban. In the video, there was no flicking or tracking onto players. Lots of shots were fired and lots of them missed. We used background knowledge to help pinpoint the area of the enemies location, as well as using the xp gained from combat when shooting to know if we were shooting in the correct area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalder Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 It seems pea is fighting more for this appeal than Cali himself. In the screenshots above those were both individual kills, both in which were dealt by the hands of Cali. In the ban reason I specifically put ESP. Therefore he is not accused of aimbot nor tracking people through walls. He is being accused of having an unfair advantage seeing people through walls (ESP). With the provided evidence, I feel it is enough to keep him banned(my opinion). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, peatreat said: I don't think this should be judged on likelihood. It wouldn't seem fair to players who tryhard to get judged on the chances of doing a play. I don't see enough evidence for this to be a permanent ban. In the video, there was no flicking or tracking onto players. Lots of shots were fired and lots of them missed. We used background knowledge to help pinpoint the area of the enemies location, as well as using the xp gained from combat when shooting to know if we were shooting in the correct area. It's this part which really makes me hella suspicious. A lot of shots were fired, but that doesn't mean he wasn't using ESP. Granted I have also questioned a lot as to why a person who is known to hack a lot on other games/gamemodes would be this blatant, so there are seeds of doubt in my head. VoltGay.mp4 Edited October 8, 2020 by George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peatreat Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 Pickup sound -> ran towards the wall on cali's left side -> backed up -> came back and ran towards cali's right side -> shots fired in that area but didnt hit him Cali doesn't have terrible aim and if he had visual assistance then he wouldn't have been dumping clips because we didn't have much ammo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peatreat Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 I got the kill on Volt. Looks like this will be an accepted appeal 🙂 Me killing volt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, peatreat said: I got the kill on Volt. Looks like this will be an accepted appeal 🙂 Me killing volt Cali got the kill, you did damage. Kalder is posting the log. Edited October 8, 2020 by George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peatreat Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 Just now, George said: Cali got the kill, you did damge. My morale dropped meaning I got the kill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalder Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 (edited) https://gyazo.com/ddd428e1c9c8b8428395a6ab3e99242e You did damage to volt. You did not kill him. The picture says it all. Edited October 8, 2020 by Kalder added Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, Kalder said: https://gyazo.com/ddd428e1c9c8b8428395a6ab3e99242e You did damage to volt. You did not kill him. The picture says it all. yeah peat got the kill, that just means cali got 100% of the damage done in that altercation between volt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peatreat Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 If I dealt the most damage on Volt, then a lucky bullet from cali hitting Volt and killing him isn't as suspicious as him doing all the damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peatreat Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 Also, I'm not sure if these logs are bugged or what but the 100% dmg isn't correct for these logs. If someone did 100% dmg on me I couldn't have done dmg afterwards because I would've been dead. I'm not sure if I'm reading these logs wrong or what. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peatreat Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 Bumping this with info that I shared with an admin, but I didn't post in the thread. If you don't even pay attention to the logs you can see in both videos that Cali did a lot of damage to volt while he was still in the corner and when volt moved out the corner it was my 4 bullets that shot through the wall and finished volt. Cali's shots didn't move from that corner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 After discussion in admin chat and on here, it has been decided by a majority of the staff team that the evidence here is either lackluster or they just don't believe it shows Calidoso hacking. Personally I agree for the most part, although there are parts that still hold some suspicion in my head, although that doesn't really matter at this point. I'm going to be unbanning you and I want it to be clear this ban is not solely on Kalder since I was the one who told him to go through with it after seeing the BLog photos. Appeal Accepted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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